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College is worthless, and the average person has no common sense
Unless you major in law, med, finance, or computers…there really is no point to college.
Heck, even computers you dont really need much education. These hackers who, well, hack…most of them never went to college, they just play with computers all day and theyre SMARTER than the people who work for the government with Masters! The government guys make anti-hacking software, then the hackers always find ways to get through it! So….do you really need college for computers either?
Or law, all you need is common sense to be a lawyer, and most lawyers dont have common sense. The law these days is a joke, a 17 year old guy goes to jail for 10 years for getting head by a 15 year old girl??? Innocent people go to jail all the time, innocent people get executed. Lawyers only defend you because you’re paying them too. If the other guy paid your lawyer double to go against you, he’d do it. And bankruptcy lawyers…do I even need to explain? If you wanna file for bankruptcy, you have no money! So why do they charge you 00 to file?
Business, do you really need a Masters to know how to manage a business, when there are people who barely graduated high school and own their own business? Finance…do you really need a Bachelors to know how to manage money?
So many people are going to graduate college, forget everything they learned, and decide to change their career paths. So many people opt to go to graduate school, get their masters, PhD….for what? When you graduate, you’re gonna have so much money in college debt to payoff, and unless you majored in law, med, or computers, u probably wont make anywhere near enough to pay it off. You’ll end up working 9-5, Monday through Friday sitting at a desk all day, and then go home and be to stressed to do anything. And on Fridays, you’ll get drunk off your ass because that’s all you know how to do.
Look at the amount of people being laid off. 3 million were laid off last year, and of those 3 million, i guarantee at least half had college degrees, maybe Masters, PhDs. NOW those people are fighting to work at places like mcdonalds. Theres no such thing as job security, NO SUCH THING. Within 20 years, when all these immigrants who cant speak English, start to speak better english, theyll take your jobs. Those people work 100x as hard as you do, and will do YOUR job for HALF of what you make, AND be 100x more productive.
The majority of these jobs, all you need is a month of on-the-job training, and you’re set. These hispanics who cant even speak English, go and cut someones lawn and make 30 dollars for the 45 minutes it takes them to cut it. Meanwhile, you’re making 25 an hour to sit at a computer wearing a suit and tie for 40-60 hours a week.
In this economy…you all think its BAD to live at home??? Quit dissing people who live at home, theyre SAVING their money.
Companies want you to think they wont hire you unless you go to college and study a bunch of courses you’ll never need. Sara graduated with a 99%, and Joe graduated with a 72%, and they both got the same degree, whats the difference? No employer is ever going to ask for your grades, and they also wont ever call your college to make sure you graduated. Ive seen ads for jobs that a monkey could do, and the company says "must have a BA in…", and im like "why?!…a monkey could do that!". They think that by going to college, you become a better all around person…when in reality, you probably become an alcoholic and party slut or party jerk. My cousin is married to a girl with a Doctorate, and shes had 6 reckless driving tickets in the past 7 years, and all she talks about is how her and her lawyer friends get together and get smashed…..wow, smart people.
You the employees are much more superior than your bosses. Theres 2-3 bosses, and 4000 employees, so who do you think would win in an argument? If you want a pay raise and you’re sick of kissing ass, simply STOP WORKING and go on strike til you’re CEO decides to give you a pay raise. Why is it that airline pilots, lawyers, doctors all go on strike to get higher pay raises (yet they make ENOUGH), yet the people who make shit money, never go on strike? Continue kissing ass, hating your job, and not standing up for yourself and i promise you, you’ll suffer for life. EVERYWHERE i go, 80% of people HATE their jobs and job life. Thats sad. Ok actually, they LOVE their jobs…when its 5pm and theyre ready to leave, lol. But when its 6am and they gotta get up, they HATE it. When its payday, they LOVE it. When its the weekend, they LOVE it. But during the work day, they hate it.
Supervisors, bosses, executives, managers, etc…are full of crap. I used to have a job where I worked at 7am, and one time I had to work at 4am. My boss complained that I wasnt doing much and being too quiet and lazy……at 4am. Hmm, I wonder why someone would seem lazy a
at 4am?! I mean, were these bosses born yesterday? ITS 4AM!!
One thing thats pathetic about employers, is they expect hard work for little pay. In high school I made .50 an hour at UPS, .50 an hour at an ice cream shop. I also made an hour at a grocery store, and all 3 jobs expected me to work like a dog. ….for how much per hour? No, you get what you pay for! If you want an HVAC technician to come install a new system in your house, and he offers to do it for 0, you WONT get a good system. Same goes with people. You DO NOT pay someone .50 an hour and expect hard work. YOU.GET.WHAT.YOU.PAY.FOR. Another thing thats funny is, companies expect you to give them 2 weeks notice before you quit…YET, if they fire you, they dont give you ANY notice, and your finances will be ruined. If you just leave, they’ll replace you in a day.
You wanna know why so many of you work too much? Because you’re materialistic. You have to have the top of the line car, the best apartment, you part
you party constantly, you gotta have the best HDTV, or spend 9 dollars on a drink….wtf?!
Book smarts will only take you so far. Street smarts is what you need to survive life. And common sense. Most people ive learned, have none of that.
All a degree says is, you went to college and took courses you’ll never need, and spent the money which youll now need to pay back…and ur job doesnt pay enough to let you pay it off comfortably. (Especially if you go to GW and pay 65K a year). Go look up online, the best doctors and lawyers in this country, they didnt go to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton.
Companies dont lay off workers because theyre losing money, they lay off workers because the CEO is making 2 million instead of 20 million, and that makes him sad.
The US Department of Labor has reliable statistics that the average BS/BA makes at least a million more in a career than a high school graduate. Anyone can point to exceptions from the average in a large sample, the wealth of information demonstrates that it’s a good investment.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmThe Whitehall Study showed that people with degrees have lower stress indicators in their lives and live healthier longer lives.
Employers who hire liberal arts graduates don’t do so because those graduates have readShopenauer. They hire them because they have demonstrated the ability to slog through crap for at least four years and understand discipline enough to complete a program not designed by themselves.
Society requires sacrifice and that fragile structure must be maintained by those willing to cooperate in the long and short run.
This is a good summary of Marx’s thesis about alienated labour, expressed in the impassioned vernacular.
Not all education is about getting a well-paid job. Diogenes lived in a barrel, and I know plenty of poorly-paid graduates who have benefited in other ways from their studies.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmI agree with a lot of what you wrote.
But also think a humanities education would be good. For example a person with a humanities education might take things with a pinch of salt.
I apologize on behalf of those who wrote idiotic answers.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmIf you think education is expensive…try ignorance
I love that quote but honestly I got a BA in psych from a very expensive private college and a MS is school counseling but I work in sales. I love my job and make more money than I ever would as a school counselor but you don’t even need to have a degree at all to do my job. I believe I learned and experienced many things during my college years that definately help me be very good at my job, but technically it wasn’t required. It is, however, extremely reassuring to know that if something happened with the sales job, atleast I have some employability having a degree as a back up plan. Was it worth all those student loans though? At least they are a tax write-off =)
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmThe simple answer to your first statement is that there is a difference between "smarts" and intelligence. College gives you the "smarts" (knowledge). By adding your common sense and skills to that knowledge, you gain intelligence.
While the argument as a whole makes sense, your research into the subject doesn’t do much to substantiate the claims. True, a lot of colleges still give you what is considered "useless" knowledge, but the fact is that a lot of the classes you take actually help you get a better job. As you stated, companies often make a big show of telling you how important a degree is to getting hired. But, they don’t "make you think it"…they specify that they want a specific education level. Many businesses are now more apt to hire a liberal arts grad nowadays than a business student simply for the fact that liberal arts degrees are more varied, and give businesses the "think outside the box" approach that is needed to survive today’s crummy marketplace.
Where did you get the idea that people who make low wages can just "go on strike" whenever they please? The reason some people such as television writers and execs can get away with this is because they are part of a Union…a requirement for the position they are in. Do you know anything about unions? At one time, they were a good thing because they protected the employee…nowadays there is no protection, even if you pay your union dues. They claim they protect your job if you go on strike…untrue. This is where "scabs" come in. A scab comes in, at the risk of bodily harm by union people, to fill your position while you are out picketing. Unions are not a good thing in today’s society. The example you use of "CEO’s, airline pilots, lawyers, and doctors" isn’t a "real world" module. Most of us are not paid enough in a year to survive even a month of a strike. While on strike, working in a factory, union members only earn $30-50 dollars a week. Some strikes go on for a year. Can you live for a year on $50 a week while caring for your family, house payment, finding private insurance, etc? If you can, you’re in a better financial position than the "working class", which means you most likely have a large salary, which means you most likely earned a degree or worked for years at wages like mine (which I doubt if you don’t understand unions).
I know this because I was raised by a grandfather who was part of a union. My uncle was part of a union. They worked in the same company. Once, while on strike, my uncle was confused by his fellow union members as a "scab". They attacked him, beating and kicking him while other union members attacked his truck with ball bats. So…explain to me why unions are a "good thing"? Not only do they make you spend your hard earned wages on their "fees and dues", they choose when to strike. And, you have to strike whether you agree with what they are crying for or not.
And unions, as I said, are not job security. They claim they protect your job, but the fact is, companies still have the right to fire you while you’re on strike…they just wait until the strike is over to notify you that someone else was better at your job than you were. They don’t protect your wages, either. Here, we had a union factory that was told that employees had to take a pay cut because of low profits. When the union threatened to strike, the company shrugged and locked the doors. They shut down the plant. If you do your research, union plants are the first to be closed…meaning no job security. Out of all the plants in my area, only 1 union plant is still open…and they took the pay cuts being "offered".
So, you claiming that anyone can refuse to work is ridiculous. If a non-union company of 1000 people did that, the boss would smile while he was handing out "pink slips". In today’s economy, each position would be refilled in less than a week! Union workers are considered the problem in today’s society. They do less work and expect higher pay and benefits. Most companies fight unions, and I can’t blame them. Unions are only beneficial to high end earners whose jobs are necessary…most of our jobs aren’t deemed as such. Unskilled labor can be done by anyone.
I say either get your degree and stop whining…or take lower wages and stop whining.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pm"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
Albert Einstein
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmI agree completely. I’m not a ‘good old days’ sentimentalist that dislikes education in general. I think education is a great thing but I think what our society has done with it is perverted. Our advanced education system emphasizes knowledge for the sake of knowledge and has apparently abandoned the humanities altogether, and I think what we have at this point is an assembly line mass producing monsters with just enough knowledge to profit from the misfortune of others, but not enough sympathy or wisdom to appreciate the inhumanity of the system. The majority of college graduates exit the system with grandiose expectations of entitlement, substantial destructive capabilities and nothing of any human or social value to contribute to anyone but themselves. I have sat in numerous parent-teacher conferences during which educators and counselors repetitively stress the importance of education, not as a path to meaningful participation in a society, but as a strategy of self-advancement in a merciless contest against a society that stands opposed and is incapable of sympathy. It is a sick and twisted motivation to teach children, it continues through the advanced educational system and in the end it produces inhuman monsters with knowledge more worthless than ignorance.
Nice work. Keep researching it and eventually you may even end up as bitter a malcontent as me.
EDIT ADD: See? Look at the response from ‘generalist’ directly below me. This is exactly what I’m talking about. "Statistics prove the college graduate makes more money"… Isn’t that great? It’s all about you and me, the individuals, and what we can do to gain advantage then profit by exploiting the misfortune of others. Contibution? Society? Why would I care about any of that?
In the west, the first lesson we learn starting with kindergarten is self-centricity and hatred of society. That is why we are a society of antisocial pervert miscreants and that is why we can’t figure out how to benefit from all the crap we’ve overproduced. We can’t share because we all believe we are entitled to disproportionate reward and owe nothing to anybody else.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmNow that I’ve been a working stiff for a while, I’ll offer my perspective.
The purpose of college is to get a degree. That little slip of paper is supposed to represent your knowledge, and, truth be told, you probably did pick up a few things along the way…things that you probably could have taught yourself for much less money is much less time. And, as anybody who has been to college can attest, a lot of graduates come out still being rather stupid, and only memorized the information long enough to pass the test. But, employers trust the slip of paper. It’s easier, cheaper, and less time-consuming to look at a degree than to thoroughly test prospective employees.
That’s what you pay for in college: a ticket to a job. You probably won’t actually need all of the knowledge you’ve gained in order to perform it.
College is a way to get a foot in the door, but it won’t advance you. Working hard, churning out a good product, obeying company policy, being able to manage others, and being creative are what push you ahead. Education that aids you in these goals naturally help out, which is why many people start studying management and start building their computer skills shortly after starting their careers.
Can you get ahead without the degree? Yes. I’m one example: I have a total of four years of college spaced across two pretty good universities, but I have no degree. However after years of working my backside off, I managed to snag a job as a data analyst, and now make almost twice as much as my wife, who holds two degrees.
But I started out at the bottom when I first entered the work place…I was making bagels for just-above minimum wage at a small shop when I got out of school. Quitting to become a temp was actually a substantial raise. It took me finding the right bosses (those who look more closely at the final product than they do at the qualifications), building up the right skills, and working my fingers to the bone to climb up, while all around me I watched graduates snag better jobs, even though they were clearly dumber and lazier than I was.
Like I said, the piece of paper gets you in at a higher level, but without the drive to realize your full potential, it won’t keep you moving forward.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmEducation guides one to work with ethical sense to every endeavor he wants to take. Those "Hackers" that you see much smarter than the educated does not posses any decency to act with intention to help but destroy.That is the difference between.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmYou have to be guided however that someone may have gone to school but does not necessarily have to be considered educated.
In the same manner that most experiences learned without going to school is a process of learning too They just happened to be in the right place at the same time doing what one thinks is interesting for him.
What you see around that contradicts what is told to be proper or appropriate would only prove that every opportunity can be made available to all but the chances of getting educated still outweighs those without in the job search fields.
You want the carrot? Jump the hoops. This is best of all possible worlds until some people make it better. These people need to be tough, realistic and humane at the same time, a kind of socialist that ain’t wrapped up in their own insecurities, independent thinkers that know how to build competence from ground up. You know anybody like that? You say you are smart? Then prove it. This is old news. People who jump the hoops are thought of as smart, and what people think makes the sale. We can only hope we don’t get a jackass for a doctor.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pm